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[realwired]

 
Просто чтобы было:

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1. Some argue that ICE agents are not “police” and therefore lack the

authority to stop, detain, or command civilians. That argument is

legally incorrect. ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement

officers under the Department of Homeland Security. Congress

explicitly granted immigration officers arrest and detention authority

under 8 U.S.C. § 1357, including the authority to carry firearms and

make warrantless arrests when offenses are committed in their presence

or when they have reasonable grounds to believe a felony is being

committed. Their authority derives from federal statute, not from

state or municipal police powers. Federal law enforcement does not

become optional simply because the officer is not wearing a city or

county badge.
 

2. Second, she refused to comply with a lawful order. Once she failed to

exit the vehicle, the encounter escalated from investigation to

resistance. You do not get to debate lawful commands roadside. The

Supreme Court has consistently held that evasive behavior and refusal

to comply with lawful authority contribute to reasonable suspicion and

justify escalation. Illinois v. Wardlow makes that clear. Any

challenge to the legality of the order belongs in court, not in the

moment.
 

3. Third, and decisively, she accelerated her vehicle while a federal

agent was positioned in front of it. At that moment, intent stopped

mattering. A motor vehicle becomes a deadly weapon when used in a

manner capable of causing serious bodily harm or death. Supreme Court

precedent is explicit on this point. Tennessee v. Garner allows deadly

force when an officer has probable cause to believe a suspect poses a

significant threat of death or serious physical injury. Scott v.

Harris, Brosseau v. Haugen, and Plumhoff v. Rickard all recognize that

a vehicle used during resistance or flight constitutes a lethal threat

justifying deadly force.

4.There will be endless arguments about tactics and whether the officer

should have placed himself in that position. Legally, those arguments

are void once an officer is in immediate danger. The law does not

require officers to absorb deadly force because someone else made a

reckless decision. The moment her foot hit the accelerator with an

officer in front of the vehicle, the threat became immediate and

lethal under settled law.

5. These three actions obstructing the roadway, refusing a lawful order,

and accelerating a vehicle toward a federal agent form a textbook

use-of-force analysis under Supreme Court precedent. I hate that it

happened. But the law is unforgiving in situations like this. Pride

will sometimes send people charging into storms they didn’t pack for.

 

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Comments

[dennisgorelik]

> I strongly believe what it was much easier and safe for Renee Good and people around her to mind ther own business.

I agree: Renee Good and her wife messed up. However they did not kill anyone.

But Johnathan Ross messed up big time by killing Renee Good.

[realwired]

Cars (massive and speedy ones) commonly used by the terrorists as a deadly weapon, and for a reason

[dennisgorelik]

> Cars (massive and speedy ones) commonly used by the terrorists as a deadly weapon, and for a reason

There were no signs that Renee Good's car was used by the terrorists.
There were signs that indicated that Renee Good is not a terrorist.

More importantly: I do not want to have law enforcement officers that start shooting at the cars too easily.
Because it is not safe for me and for people around me.

[realwired]

Have you tried do not attack law enforcement when they on public duty?

[dennisgorelik]

> Have tried do not attack law enforcement when they on public duty?

Of course I try not to attack law enforcement officers (and consider Rebecca & Renee Good's behavior a [deadly] mistake).
Nonetheless, I do not want to get automatically shot simply because I made a similar mistake [for whatever reason].

[realwired]

Well, if you have a dream to gain some tiktok glory by attacking the law enforcement officers ("simular mistake") and will get killed - I don't care :)

[dennisgorelik]

> if you have a dream to gain some tiktok glory by attacking the law enforcement officers

Why would I have such a dream?
I prefer to learn from other mistakes.

> and will get killed - I don't care :)

If you attempt to gain some tiktok glory by attacking the law enforcement officers or activists -- I do care to know about it -- whether you will get killed in the attempt or not.

[dennisgorelik]

> "simulator mistake"

Are you implying that we live in a simulation?

[realwired]

--- ("simular mistake")

What are you talking about??

[dennisgorelik]

I wrote "similar mistake".